Is it possible to run the LK8000 PC sim (v2.3) in portrait mode?

Cheers, and Merry Xmas to all,

Kirk
66

Yes, Kirk.

Assuming Windows, go to the shortcut you use to launch the LK8000 sim
mode (if you don't have a shortcut, make one). Right click it, and on
the Shortcut tab, edit the Target line. There probably is something
there right now. Add a double quote in the front of that something,
and end the something with the string LK8000-PC.exe -480x640". Note
that the something must start and end in double quotes!

There are other resolutions you can run at, both landscape and
portrait, see the manual and simply replace the -480x640 with the
resolution you want, preceeded with the minus sign.

-John


On Dec 24, 1:28 pm, "kirk.stant" > wrote:
> Is it possible to run the LK8000 PC sim (v2.3) in portrait mode?
>
> Cheers, and Merry Xmas to all,
>
> Kirk
> 66

On Dec 24, 12:42*pm, jcarlyle > wrote:
> Yes, Kirk.
>
> Assuming Windows, go to the shortcut you use to launch the LK8000 sim
> mode (if you don't have a shortcut, make one). Right click it, and on
> the Shortcut tab, edit the Target line. There probably is something
> there right now. Add a double quote in the front of that something,
> and end the something with the string LK8000-PC.exe -480x640". Note
> that the something must start and end in double quotes!
>
> There are other resolutions you can run at, both landscape and
> portrait, see the manual and simply replace the -480x640 with the
> resolution you want, preceeded with the minus sign.
>
> -John

John, that doesn't work on my Win7 shortcut - I get an error message
saying that "The name 'C:Users\...\LK8000\LK8000-PC.exe -480x800'
specified in the Target box is not valid. Make sure the path and file
name are correct."

There are double quotes in the file name in the Target box, single
quotes in the error box.

The shortcut works just fine, otherwise.

Any ideas?

Kirk

On Dec 24, 4:21*pm, "kirk.stant" > wrote:
> On Dec 24, 12:42*pm, jcarlyle > wrote:
>
> > Yes, Kirk.
>
> > Assuming Windows, go to the shortcut you use to launch the LK8000 sim
> > mode (if you don't have a shortcut, make one). Right click it, and on
> > the Shortcut tab, edit the Target line. There probably is something
> > there right now. Add a double quote in the front of that something,
> > and end the something with the string LK8000-PC.exe -480x640". Note
> > that the something must start and end in double quotes!
>
> > There are other resolutions you can run at, both landscape and
> > portrait, see the manual and simply replace the -480x640 with the
> > resolution you want, preceeded with the minus sign.
>
> > -John
>
> John, that doesn't work on my Win7 shortcut - I get an error message
> saying that "The name 'C:Users\...\LK8000\LK8000-PC.exe -480x800'
> specified in the Target box is not valid. Make sure the path and file
> name are correct."
>
> There are double quotes in the file name in the Target box, single
> quotes in the error box.
>
> The shortcut works just fine, otherwise.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Kirk

Ok, disregard - it works if the shortcut is to the .exe on an SD card,
NOT to a directory on the C drive.

Odd.

Thanks!

Kirk

Kirk,

Hmmm - I'm running v2.2e (the last stable release) under Win XP Pro,
and the -480x640 resolution works fine.

480x800 is definitely one of the selectable resolutions, according to
this site:
http://lk8000.it/faq/62-running-lk-on-a-windows-pc/143-how-to-run-lk-on-a-pc-with-a-different-screen-size.html
Maybe selecting one of the other 3 resolutions listed will help on
your machine?

The other possibility is that they eliminated this resolution feature
in v2.3, which are development versions.

-John

On Dec 24, 5:21 pm, "kirk.stant" > wrote:
> John, that doesn't work on my Win7 shortcut - I get an error message
> saying that "The name 'C:Users\...\LK8000\LK8000-PC.exe -480x800'
> specified in the Target box is not valid. Make sure the path and file
> name are correct."
>
> There are double quotes in the file name in the Target box, single
> quotes in the error box.
>
> The shortcut works just fine, otherwise.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Kirk

On Dec 24, 4:33*pm, jcarlyle > wrote:
> Kirk,
>
> Hmmm - I'm running v2.2e (the last stable release) under Win XP Pro,
> and the -480x640 resolution works fine.
>
> 480x800 is definitely one of the selectable resolutions, according to
> this site:http://lk8000.it/faq/62-running-lk-on-a-windows-pc/143-how-to-run-lk-...
> Maybe selecting one of the other 3 resolutions listed will help on
> your machine?
>
> The other possibility is that they eliminated this resolution feature
> in v2.3, which are development versions.
>
> -John

John, there may be some differences between XP and 7. Using the
shortcut to the SD card, I can select 480x640 or 480x800 with no
problem, but the displays do not look correct on the screen - compared
to pictures of 480x800 PNAs running LK8K in portrait.

I'll keep playing with it.

For the life of me I do not understand why anyone would want to run a
moving map in landscape. I don't care what is to the side of me - I
want to see what is in FRONT of me!

Cheers,

Kirk

On Dec 24, 4:33*pm, jcarlyle > wrote:
> Kirk,
>
> Hmmm - I'm running v2.2e (the last stable release) under Win XP Pro,
> and the -480x640 resolution works fine.
>
> 480x800 is definitely one of the selectable resolutions, according to
> this site:http://lk8000.it/faq/62-running-lk-on-a-windows-pc/143-how-to-run-lk-...
> Maybe selecting one of the other 3 resolutions listed will help on
> your machine?
>
> The other possibility is that they eliminated this resolution feature
> in v2.3, which are development versions.
>
> -John
>
> On Dec 24, 5:21 pm, "kirk.stant" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > John, that doesn't work on my Win7 shortcut - I get an error message
> > saying that "The name 'C:Users\...\LK8000\LK8000-PC.exe -480x800'
> > specified in the Target box is not valid. Make sure the path and file
> > name are correct."
>
> > There are double quotes in the file name in the Target box, single
> > quotes in the error box.
>
> > The shortcut works just fine, otherwise.
>
> > Any ideas?
>
> > Kirk

I ended up using the 272x480 size and it looks correct on my PC.

Kirk

Kirk,

Glad you got it working. I don't understand why it only works for you
under 7 when you go to the SD card. Under XP Pro my shortcut points
directly to the exe on the hard drive (target looks like the one you
cited), and it runs just fine. Guess they made changes to Windows so
we could all have to learn more to accomplish the same thing...

-John

On Dec 24, 6:21 pm, "kirk.stant" > wrote:
> John, there may be some differences between XP and 7. Using the
> shortcut to the SD card, I can select 480x640 or 480x800 with no
> problem, but the displays do not look correct on the screen - compared
> to pictures of 480x800 PNAs running LK8K in portrait.
>
> I'll keep playing with it.
>
> For the life of me I do not understand why anyone would want to run a
> moving map in landscape. I don't care what is to the side of me - I
> want to see what is in FRONT of me!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kirk

Depending on your UAC settings you may need to configure your shortcut
to run as Administrator.

On Dec 24, 8:53*pm, jcarlyle > wrote:
> Kirk,
>
> Glad you got it working. I don't understand why it only works for you
> under 7 when you go to the SD card. Under XP Pro my shortcut points
> directly to the exe on the hard drive (target looks like the one you
> cited), and it runs just fine. Guess they made changes to Windows so
> we could all have to learn more to accomplish the same thing...
>
> -John
>
> On Dec 24, 6:21 pm, "kirk.stant" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > John, there may be some differences between XP and 7. *Using the
> > shortcut to the SD card, I can select 480x640 or 480x800 with no
> > problem, but the displays do not look correct on the screen - compared
> > to pictures of 480x800 PNAs running LK8K in portrait.
>
> > I'll keep playing with it.
>
> > For the life of me I do not understand why anyone would want to run a
> > moving map in landscape. *I don't care what is to the side of me - I
> > want to see what is in FRONT of me!
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Kirk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

This is what works for me.

The short cut target is "C:\ ....\LK8000\LK8000-PC.exe" -480x800
The Start in directory is "C:\...\LK8000\

The ... is the path to the LK8000 directory where the application with all
its' associated subdirectories and files are installed.

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/



"jcarlyle" wrote in message
...

Kirk,

Hmmm - I'm running v2.2e (the last stable release) under Win XP Pro,
and the -480x640 resolution works fine.

480x800 is definitely one of the selectable resolutions, according to
this site:
http://lk8000.it/faq/62-running-lk-on-a-windows-pc/143-how-to-run-lk-on-a-pc-with-a-different-screen-size.html
Maybe selecting one of the other 3 resolutions listed will help on
your machine?

The other possibility is that they eliminated this resolution feature
in v2.3, which are development versions.

-John

On Dec 24, 5:21 pm, "kirk.stant" > wrote:
> John, that doesn't work on my Win7 shortcut - I get an error message
> saying that "The name 'C:Users\...\LK8000\LK8000-PC.exe -480x800'
> specified in the Target box is not valid. Make sure the path and file
> name are correct."
>
> There are double quotes in the file name in the Target box, single
> quotes in the error box.
>
> The shortcut works just fine, otherwise.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Kirk

Hi Kirk
for example, if you are using north up mode it doesnt matter how the
screen is oriented.

Stand by for the 3.0 due in a few weeks now!

paolo

"kirk.stant" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
....
For the life of me I do not understand why anyone would want to run a
moving map in landscape. I don't care what is to the side of me - I
want to see what is in FRONT of me!
....

On Dec 26, 12:40*pm, "PCool" > wrote:
> Hi Kirk
> * * for example, if *you are using north up mode it doesnt matter how the
> screen is oriented.
>
> Stand by for the 3.0 due in a few weeks now!
>
> paolo
>
> "kirk.stant" > ha scritto nel ...
> ...
> For the life of me I do not understand why anyone would want to run a
> moving map in landscape. *I don't care what is to the side of me - I
> want to see what is in FRONT of me!
> ...

I just this week decided to try out LK8000. I traditionally use Soar
Pilot and have some experience with XCSoar. What a great surprise
LK8000 is! I look forward to installing it on my Mio 400 when it
arrives.

Lane
XF

On Dec 26, 11:40*am, "PCool" > wrote:
> Hi Kirk
> * * for example, if *you are using north up mode it doesnt matter how the
> screen is oriented.
>
> Stand by for the 3.0 due in a few weeks now!
>
> paolo
>
> "kirk.stant" > ha scritto nel ...
> ...
> For the life of me I do not understand why anyone would want to run a
> moving map in landscape. *I don't care what is to the side of me - I
> want to see what is in FRONT of me!
> ...

Paolo, north up makes even less sense most of the time!

To me (and I used to navigate planes for a living so I'm a bit biased)
the only orientation that really makes sense is Heading up -
especially if there is a lot of crosswind. I want the map to mirror
what is outside the cockpit, and with track up and a crosswind, it's
possible for a feature in the distance (mountain, for example) to be
on one side of the map centerline, but on the other side of the
canopy, due to the glider's crab angle.

For this to be useful, of course, you need a good indication of the
actual ground track, so you can adjust your heading accordingly.

This, naturally, is how I have SYM configured in my glider.

Keep up the good work on LK8000 - It's starting to look real
interesting.

Cheers,

Kirk

On Monday, December 26, 2011 7:07:26 PM UTC-5, kirk.stant wrote:
> On Dec 26, 11:40*am, "PCool" > wrote:
> To me (and I used to navigate planes for a living so I'm a bit biased)
> the only orientation that really makes sense is Heading up -
> especially if there is a lot of crosswind. I want the map to mirror
> what is outside the cockpit, and with track up and a crosswind, it's
> possible for a feature in the distance (mountain, for example) to be
> on one side of the map centerline, but on the other side of the
> canopy, due to the glider's crab angle.

"Heading Up" does not match what you see out the cockpit with crosswind.
That is why ILEC SN10 does "nose up", matching your view...

Hope that's clear !
Best Regards, Dave "YO electric"

I use Trackup with north up above 7km zoom. This is like SYM is working, and
I did it the same.
In landscape mode most people prefer to use north smart, with LK.
North smart is like north up, but the glider is repositioned automatically
to make more space in front of it on the moving map.
But I guess it is a matter of personal preference, and if you are used to
portrait mode you can use it in LK too, in fact it is fully supported of
course.

best
paolo

"kirk.stant" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
Paolo, north up makes even less sense most of the time!

To me (and I used to navigate planes for a living so I'm a bit biased)
the only orientation that really makes sense is Heading up -
especially if there is a lot of crosswind. I want the map to mirror
what is outside the cockpit, and with track up and a crosswind, it's
possible for a feature in the distance (mountain, for example) to be
on one side of the map centerline, but on the other side of the
canopy, due to the glider's crab angle.

For this to be useful, of course, you need a good indication of the
actual ground track, so you can adjust your heading accordingly.

This, naturally, is how I have SYM configured in my glider.

On Dec 26, 6:51*pm, Dave Nadler > wrote:
> On Monday, December 26, 2011 7:07:26 PM UTC-5, kirk.stant wrote:
> > On Dec 26, 11:40*am, "PCool" > wrote:
> > To me (and I used to navigate planes for a living so I'm a bit biased)
> > the only orientation that really makes sense is Heading up -
> > especially if there is a lot of crosswind. *I want the map to mirror
> > what is outside the cockpit, and with track up and a crosswind, it's
> > possible for a feature in the distance (mountain, for example) to be
> > on one side of the map centerline, but on the other side of the
> > canopy, due to the glider's crab angle.
>
> "Heading Up" does not match what you see out the cockpit with crosswind.
> That is why ILEC SN10 does "nose up", matching your view...
>
> Hope that's clear !
> Best Regards, Dave "YO electric"

Uh, Dave, heading up and nose up are the same thing. Heading (which
way the pointy end is pointed, and read on the drippy compass thingy)
adjusted for the drift due to a crosswind is Track. Track up and Nose
up are only the same if there is either no wind, or the wind is a
direct tail or headwind.

Exaggerated example - I've got 30 degrees of drift to the right. My
goal is a mountain peak in the distance, and I've adjusted my heading
(which way my nose is pointing) 30 degrees to the left to compensate
for the drift, and my track is now directly towards the mountain.
Looking out the cockpit, the mountain is 30 degrees right of the
nose. If my map is Track Up, it shows the mountain directly ahead.
If the map is Heading up, it shows the mountain 30 degrees to the
right (matching my view out the window). Hopefully with a Track Line
showing that I'm going the right direction!

GPS navigators typically only present Track, because they have no way
of knowing heading without a compass input from the plane. Or, given
a wind, they can "back-in" heading by subtracting drift from track to
get heading.

Nav lesson for the day is now over - back to football!

Cheers,

Kirk

Right, sorry, misread "heading" as "GPS track",
need more coffee...
See ya, Dave

On Dec 27, 7:34*am, Dave Nadler > wrote:
> Right, sorry, misread "heading" as "GPS track",
> need more coffee...
> See ya, Dave

Mmmm coffee good ;^)

Kirk

To each their own, but for me landscape mode makes less sense than the
new menu system in Word 2007, ie, none. As Kirk said, the map should
show me where I'm going, not stuff off to the sides. IMO, soaring XC
isn't a sightseeing trip, it's an effort to get somewhere. My $0.02,
YMMV of course.

I'd like to thank Paolo for all of his efforts for bringing the
soaring community LK8000. Well done! I'm looking forward to
investigating version 3 in Jan 2012.

-John

At 15:29 27 December 2011, jcarlyle wrote:
>To each their own, but for me landscape mode makes less sense than the
>new menu system in Word 2007, ie, none. As Kirk said, the map should
>show me where I'm going, not stuff off to the sides. IMO, soaring XC
>isn't a sightseeing trip, it's an effort to get somewhere. My $0.02,
>YMMV of course.
>
>I'd like to thank Paolo for all of his efforts for bringing the
>soaring community LK8000. Well done! I'm looking forward to
>investigating version 3 in Jan 2012.
>
>-John
>
Let's not forget that Paolo originated LK8000 to use car navigators,
initially the iPAQ 31* series. These were, and are, landscape, but as they
are mainly used track up in cars, portrait would have made more sense.
When flying, it all depends on which way you are going, and whether you fly
N Up, Track Up, or any of the many other possibilities. I like North Up,
because that is how I look at those paper things, so going N/S I've got
less in front with landscape, but more when going E/W. But it is a MOVING
map, so keeps pace with you, and is scaleable.
IMHO landscape suits the data display, both on the map and dedicated pages,
but it's a personal thing, if you don't like it that way, change it!
The other thing to do, is move the glider icon to near the bottom of the
screen and use North Smart.
Now who's going to bring out a square display?
Dave

On Dec 28, 5:33 am, David Salmon > wrote:
> At 15:29 27 December 2011, jcarlyle wrote:>To each their own, but for me landscape mode makes less sense than the
> >new menu system in Word 2007, ie, none. As Kirk said, the map should
> >show me where I'm going, not stuff off to the sides. IMO, soaring XC
> >isn't a sightseeing trip, it's an effort to get somewhere. My $0.02,
> >YMMV of course.
>
> >I'd like to thank Paolo for all of his efforts for bringing the
> >soaring community LK8000. Well done! I'm looking forward to
> >investigating version 3 in Jan 2012.
>
> >-John
>
> Let's not forget that Paolo originated LK8000 to use car navigators,
> initially the iPAQ 31* series. These were, and are, landscape, but as they
> are mainly used track up in cars, portrait would have made more sense.
> When flying, it all depends on which way you are going, and whether you fly
> N Up, Track Up, or any of the many other possibilities. I like North Up,
> because that is how I look at those paper things, so going N/S I've got
> less in front with landscape, but more when going E/W. But it is a MOVING
> map, so keeps pace with you, and is scaleable.
> IMHO landscape suits the data display, both on the map and dedicated pages,
> but it's a personal thing, if you don't like it that way, change it!
> The other thing to do, is move the glider icon to near the bottom of the
> screen and use North Smart.
> Now who's going to bring out a square display?
> Dave

I really can't see how you could like navigating a plane using North
Up. I started out doing that when I was a car rally navigator, but
quickly learned that the driver liked hearing a crisp "Left", didn't
like "Uhhh....left", and absolutely hated "Left...I mean, right".
Those problems vanished when I started rotating the map to match the
car's track. Using Track Up you "know" which way to go, instead of
having to "think" which way to go, because you don't have to match up
two frames of reference. In soaring, the same intuitive matching of
map with landscape using Track Up helps me to easily determine if
those clouds are on my way to the turnpoint or involve a big detour,
and gives me more time to make other decisions.

As far as using landscape mode because some idiot in China decided to
make car navigators that way, why should we perpetuate an error? It's
easy to change, and besides, a vertical screen fits into a tight
cockpit better.

-John

On Dec 28, 9:04*am, jcarlyle > wrote:
> On Dec 28, 5:33 am, David Salmon > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > At 15:29 27 December 2011, jcarlyle wrote:>To each their own, but for me landscape mode makes less sense than the
> > >new menu system in Word 2007, ie, none. As Kirk said, the map should
> > >show me where I'm going, not stuff off to the sides. IMO, soaring XC
> > >isn't a sightseeing trip, it's an effort to get somewhere. My $0.02,
> > >YMMV of course.
>
> > >I'd like to thank Paolo for all of his efforts for bringing the
> > >soaring community LK8000. Well done! I'm looking forward to
> > >investigating version 3 in Jan 2012.
>
> > >-John
>
> > Let's not forget that Paolo originated LK8000 to use car navigators,
> > initially the iPAQ 31* series. These were, and are, landscape, but as they
> > are mainly used track up in cars, * portrait would have made more sense.
> > When flying, it all depends on which way you are going, and whether you fly
> > N Up, Track Up, or any of the many other possibilities. I like North Up,
> > because that is how I look at those paper things, so going N/S I've got
> > less in front with landscape, but more when going E/W. But it is a MOVING
> > map, so keeps pace with you, and is scaleable.
> > IMHO landscape suits the data display, both on the map and dedicated pages,
> > but it's a personal thing, if you don't like it that way, change it!
> > The other thing to do, is move the glider icon to near the bottom of the
> > screen and use North Smart.
> > Now who's going to bring out a square display?
> > Dave
>
> I really can't see how you could like navigating a plane using North
> Up. I started out doing that when I was a car rally navigator, but
> quickly learned that the driver liked hearing a crisp "Left", didn't
> like "Uhhh....left", and absolutely hated "Left...I mean, right".
> Those problems vanished when I started rotating the map to match the
> car's track. Using Track Up you "know" which way to go, instead of
> having to "think" which way to go, because you don't have to match up
> two frames of reference. In soaring, the same intuitive matching of
> map with landscape using Track Up helps me to easily determine if
> those clouds are on my way to the turnpoint or involve a big detour,
> and gives me more time to make other decisions.
>
> As far as using landscape mode because some idiot in China decided to
> make car navigators that way, why should we perpetuate an error? It's
> easy to change, and besides, a vertical screen fits into a tight
> cockpit better.
>
> -John

Does the portrait mode support the bottom info bar as well? I
currently get six data fields in the bottom bar. Are you guys getting
the same in portrait mode?

Lane
XF

On Dec 28, 9:09 am, lanebush > wrote:
> Does the portrait mode support the bottom info bar as well? I
> currently get six data fields in the bottom bar. Are you guys getting
> the same in portrait mode?
>
> Lane

Affirmative.

-John